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Author Topic: Politics in the server  (Read 695 times)

Offline =XA= TDBZ

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2019, 08:46:37 PM »
Sig, its just going to be our job to steer people away. Sorry.... Philandra is right. We have people banning too much as it is.
Seeing my friends get banned for ridiculous reasons is starting to get annoying as it is. 

Don't know if you were in the server when I have called people out on it.
But typically I will give the old bar room etiquette / rules to them:
"Hey, hey, hey now boys & girls... No Religion or Politics in this here establishment! Or we won't server none of ya!"
You know... using my charm and shit.... LOL!


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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2019, 09:04:03 PM »
See this is the reason why I donít want to be in authoritative role. Things like this are the very reason.

I think Philandra put it really nicely. With that being said I can see chat becoming toxic as well. Here is a style that Iíve used throughout my time in control.

Steer your conversation away from the controversial topic. Sports, jokes and my personal favourite tits are always good candidates. These are equally polarizing topics. This is the safest way to stop escalating issues as majority will start talking about them and forget the political topic.

Now if a person is going extreme then ban is justified but donít make it a hard and fast rule. Take each situation individually.

Offline =XA= Chuck

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2019, 09:50:55 PM »
WOW I can't believe I'm going to say this GOD help me please. (Wiping sweat from forehead) Oh GOD please help me for I'm about to sin.

I............I........... (stuttering) I..........  hav.....hav......have tooooooooooo agree with Spirit on this one.  LOL

I would say just leave it a lone.  Our Admins IF doing their job right can stop it if it gets out of hand. Little chatter one way or the other shouldn't hurt anyone.

It all right wingers ONLY talked to themselves and left liberals ONLY to themselves nothing would ever get done. It takes both sides to listen and learn from each other.

Anyway if it gets out of hand ask them to stop if they keep on then ban for a limit time or maybe kick first.

But to say NO talk of any kind is an open ticket for admins to BAN  Example Admin "A" bans all Democrat's and admin "B" bans all republicans becasue they are a Democrat . Not right.

 


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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2019, 09:55:38 PM »
See this is the reason why I donít want to be in authoritative role. Things like this are the very reason.

I think Philandra put it really nicely. With that being said I can see chat becoming toxic as well. Here is a style that Iíve used throughout my time in control.

Steer your conversation away from the controversial topic. Sports, jokes and my personal favourite tits are always good candidates. These are equally polarizing topics. This is the safest way to stop escalating issues as majority will start talking about them and forget the political topic.

Now if a person is going extreme then ban is justified but donít make it a hard and fast rule. Take each situation individually.
So are you an butt or boob guy?


All in all, no need to babysit people. Admins (including myself) will moderate as needed.


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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2019, 02:02:37 AM »
WOW I can't believe I'm going to say this GOD help me please. (Wiping sweat from forehead) Oh GOD please help me for I'm about to sin.

I............I........... (stuttering) I..........  hav.....hav......have tooooooooooo agree with Spirit on this one.  LOL

I knew one day you will see the path of enlightenment. You have taken the first step. This is always the hardest, but you have a long way to go. Iím proud of the progress you made.


So are you an butt or boob guy?

Bewbs all day everyday.

Offline =XA= Sigmund Freud

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2019, 07:04:44 AM »
Well fair enough. I'm fine with the unspoken rule / discretion thing, but I'll continue with the discussion because....why not? :P

I dont have any data to back this up but can y'all ever think of a scenario in which a heated political discussion has ended well (ie. productively) ? Or when politics arent discussed and the XA/CS experience is ~subtracted~ from because of it? Even arguing ethics or social issues often ends with someone getting banned or stepping away from the server, and both parties solidifying their predetermined views. The idea of people having life-changing epiphanies and bonding from a fair and civil political arguement on a counterstrike server is naive at best.

My point was that our server and the game itself is not a forum suited for such things. The primary reason we are all here is to play the game that we love and the secondary  reason is to socialize with friends (for some its vice versa even). Removing auxiliary and typically toxic topics of discussion have no effect on either of those. I was just saying weigh what we're gaining and what we're losing and form a logical decision based on the + / - total outcome.

Free speech for the sake of free speech is not the answer. Especially in small yet open internet communities its one of those utopian concepts better in theory which doesnt account for the factor of human tendencies. We already have rules in place which ďimpede free speechĒ and they are there for a reason. So we already have a line drawn and the proposition of excluding certain extraneous topics is just a means to enforce and simplify the already current guidelines in place. Again, if this "free speech" is such a high ideal, then again why dont we go all the way with it? Well we've all seen, just as with those super restrictive servers, what that devolves to.

Tldr; I love politics and discussing them but the internet is a festering turdhole for intellectual discourse and it almost always just becomes some loud ignorant doofus trolling. I miss the days of  LAN  when this wasnt an issue because IRL you get your snoz jacked in for mouthing off to strangers.

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2019, 07:08:32 AM »
Definitely boobs though.

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2019, 10:45:23 AM »
Nobody is promoting political agenda in the server. Putting an explicit rule will only result in political views of authority being enforced on everyone.

I disagree with your lan statement. Your idea is that if someone who is physically inferior to you canít have a superior political argument than you simply because they will be assaulted.

Always keep in mind that we are a product of our upbringing. Libtards might be an offensive term for you but itís completely natural for another.

While internet has given a voice to anyone and everyone. The transfer of knowledge and ideas has definitely broadened the scope of political and other intellectual conversations.

CS might not be the place for it but what would be? I donít think you actually see these players in other avenues. Limiting CS to only game related stuff pretty much means missing out on other dimensions of ones personality.

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2019, 11:02:03 AM »
I should definitely clarify. I was NOT condoning assaulting anyone for have opposing opinions or because youre losing an argument, but I can see how it might have read like that. What I meant was there is a natural deterrent in physical situations to not be a troll because you donít have the shield of distance / anonymity. In person you have to use tact and respect people because there are consequences to not doing so. Relating to the topic... political arguments online almost always nosedive into poop-tossing, which is where the problem with them lies.

ďAlways keep in mind that we are a product of our upbringing. Libtards might be an offensive term for you but itís completely natural for another.Ē

The same can be said for the use of N-word, or in defense of an ISIS soldier, or a child molester, although these examples are wildly different things from what we're discussing. Point being behavior being normalized because of formative environment does not make that behavior ethical. That said I donít really have a problem with the word libtard in the slightest; though it is a good signifier that the person using it (unironically) has an echo-chamber-adopted binary viewpoint of contemporary politics and probably a limited intelligence. And no I donít consider myself a liberal.

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2019, 11:15:45 AM »

CS might not be the place for it but what would be? I donít think you actually see these players in other avenues. Limiting CS to only game related stuff pretty much means missing out on other dimensions of ones personality.

This is a fair point, but I still feel like these specific topics will divide us more than bond us together. Politics have become so interwoven with social issues that something as simple as an association with a party can devalue a subset of human beings and create division where there would otherwise be harmony.

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2019, 03:37:11 PM »
The same can be said for the use of N-word, or in defense of an ISIS soldier, or a child molester, although these examples are wildly different things from what we're discussing. Point being behavior being normalized because of formative environment does not make that behavior ethical.

The biggest problem with that statement is that ethics are subjective. Ethics are social norms, which makes niggers acceptable. Similar case can be made for stoning of women in Middle East.

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2019, 06:08:24 PM »
Man, you guys went a lot deeper than I had planned.

I just wanted to say that someone can like both boobs and butts equally, I love nature in all its varieties and all that.

I am generally against anything restricting speech more than necessary. Politics are super-heated, but like a couple of others, I think banning political or religious stuff entirely has the potential to allow abuse. We have a player named Jesus and sometimes people joke when he kills the defuser that "Jesus saves." Does that constitute religious talk? It might if someone is looking for a reason to get someone.

It just opens the door for using it to ban people you don't agree with, particularly given the climate.

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2019, 06:51:29 PM »
just play the f******* game

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Re: Politics in the server
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2019, 07:40:44 PM »
just play the f******* game

Very uncanadian of you.


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Re: Politics in the server
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