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General Category => Server complaints/ Suggestions => Topic started by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 27, 2019, 05:57:15 AM

Title: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 27, 2019, 05:57:15 AM
I think we need a rule about this. Whenever someone comes in jabbing about politics, the collective boner of the server is killed immediately and it often escalates into shittalking and trolling.  My gullible ass has a hard time not taking the bait and getting into it despite in-game communication mediums being hiiiighly unconducive for logical discourse. It just isn't the time or place and I don't want to hear you voted for. I just want to shoot you in the face with my m4.

In conclusion (and this should applies in-game and in general) the only time 'liberal' or 'conservative' should ever be used in a sentence is referring to the application of various lotions, tinctures, salves, and topical creams  :P
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 27, 2019, 08:28:47 AM
100% Agreed.
Going to add a rule on that.
Enough is enough.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 27, 2019, 08:37:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1qbnG6d.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 27, 2019, 09:58:50 AM
100% disagreed with this statement. There are way too many rules in the server. Might as well shackle the players to a wall next.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 27, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
Nice Teddy. Thank you.

Spirit, what function does discussing politics serve? Have you ever seen it end well? This isn't MEAN where there is tyranny for the sake of it. All of our rules serve a purpose and you can make an individual argument for why each one improves the overall experience of the server. Sure, some may be debatable, but they arent superfluous
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 27, 2019, 03:34:53 PM
Spirit, what function does discussing politics serve? Have you ever seen it end well?

What purpose is it to discuss anything in the server? Its people expressing themselves and their opinions. Rules shackle them and they will push back. There are already complaints regarding the chat filters.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 27, 2019, 04:27:10 PM
Well non hostile conversation serves many functions namely fostering a sense of community and solidarity - two elements which make XA stand out in an era where 1.6 has been all but forgotten. Hostile conversation and things which cross ethical rubicons have the opposite effect. Politics are deeply interwoven with identity and thus make people heated when their viewpoint is challenged bringing negative vibes into an experience that is supposed to be fun. And what is the alternative ? Should we abolish all rules, and have an anything goes server where you can say the N word and make fun of someone's dead dad? Not a place Id want to be. Again, we set these parameters to serve a very specific purpose.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 27, 2019, 04:56:57 PM
Politics is a very passionate topic to some and taking their voice away may be counter productive. Just like you put it, "Not a place they want to be."

Simply put people are so ignorant that they can't admit that others may not have the same opinion as them. Why can't we let someone say "libtards" and rule it as being their opinion? Why do we have to match it with our beliefs and see if it works for us? It doesn't have to be like that. You can simply ignore that and let people voice out their opinion. The freedom of speech is in your constitution.

Parameters need to be set, but they need to be few and far between.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 27, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
Typically religion & politics I ask people to refrain from.
NOT giving my admins something else to BAN for.
But, I simply ask people to keep it to a minimum.
Admins asking people to skip the Political talk should not be that big a deal.

We had a player recently blurting out KILL ISRAEL. FUCK THE JEWS. KILL THEM ALL. SAVE PALESTINE.
Should I just have let this asshole carry on? I think not.

If I hear someone call anyone a Right Wing Neo Nazi or Lefty Libtard, I will certainly ask them to chill the hell out.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Philandra on January 27, 2019, 06:50:16 PM
100% disagreed with this statement. There are way too many rules in the server. Might as well shackle the players to a wall next.

I have to agree with Spirit on this one.  If we start saying no politics, no religion, etc.... we're turning into COF, TCB, MEAN and those other servers... What are we going to do next, say I can't curse?!

The more rules we have, the less fun it becomes. 

Freud, as you said, partially it's because you can't help but chime in when someone talks politics.  How about take a deep breath and just mute or ignore the person that you're not wanting to hear?

It's not like I /want/ to hear politics, but as soon as this becomes a rule, it just adds to minimizing the freedom of us being able to "just play the game" without feeling like we are having to tippy-toe in the server while playing.


Just my two cents.

Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 27, 2019, 06:56:26 PM
Okay. I understand.

Have had a really trying day.

Will change it back and be done.

But I will always ask people to refrain from it while I am in game.....
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 27, 2019, 06:58:50 PM
https://clanxa.com/smf/index.php?topic=10638

there.... there ya go everyone...........
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= mont on January 27, 2019, 07:00:57 PM
Honestly I just spam amx_csay and amx_tsay "I prefer being ignorant about politics, please stop talking"

I don't really care for it but don't spam chat and/or your mic about politics... Especially if some other people who aren't admins are telling them to shut up. I don't think it should really be a rule, just... Keep it to a minimum? Cause I joke around when I die to someone and I'll randomly say "You probably voted for Trump or Hillary" as a joke. Same level as the typical shit talking when I've had a drink or two.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Philandra on January 27, 2019, 07:02:45 PM
I think that we have the rule that all players need to respect admins. If an admin feels that the chatter is hindering the ability for players to be having fun, then they have the tools to take action : They can warn and gag as needed.

There will always be someone who takes the rule to the extremes.  As soon as someone says "Trump" then that admin may just ban because "No Politics" is a rule.  I mean... it can go either way, but I think the more specific rules, the more extreme it can get.

I think it is always appropriate to keep the servers in a positive place, so I know where y'all were coming from.  I hope you also can understand and see the other side! 

xoxo Teddy.  No stress!
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 27, 2019, 07:03:58 PM
Trust me. After thinking about it. There are Admins of ours that would just BAN. I NEVER would... But I get that TOTALLY.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 27, 2019, 08:46:37 PM
Sig, its just going to be our job to steer people away. Sorry.... Philandra is right. We have people banning too much as it is.
Seeing my friends get banned for ridiculous reasons is starting to get annoying as it is. 

Don't know if you were in the server when I have called people out on it.
But typically I will give the old bar room etiquette / rules to them:
"Hey, hey, hey now boys & girls... No Religion or Politics in this here establishment! Or we won't server none of ya!"
You know... using my charm and shit.... LOL!
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 27, 2019, 09:04:03 PM
See this is the reason why I donít want to be in authoritative role. Things like this are the very reason.

I think Philandra put it really nicely. With that being said I can see chat becoming toxic as well. Here is a style that Iíve used throughout my time in control.

Steer your conversation away from the controversial topic. Sports, jokes and my personal favourite tits are always good candidates. These are equally polarizing topics. This is the safest way to stop escalating issues as majority will start talking about them and forget the political topic.

Now if a person is going extreme then ban is justified but donít make it a hard and fast rule. Take each situation individually.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Chuck on January 27, 2019, 09:50:55 PM
WOW I can't believe I'm going to say this GOD help me please. (Wiping sweat from forehead) Oh GOD please help me for I'm about to sin.

I............I........... (stuttering) I..........  hav.....hav......have tooooooooooo agree with Spirit on this one.  LOL

I would say just leave it a lone.  Our Admins IF doing their job right can stop it if it gets out of hand. Little chatter one way or the other shouldn't hurt anyone.

It all right wingers ONLY talked to themselves and left liberals ONLY to themselves nothing would ever get done. It takes both sides to listen and learn from each other.

Anyway if it gets out of hand ask them to stop if they keep on then ban for a limit time or maybe kick first.

But to say NO talk of any kind is an open ticket for admins to BAN  Example Admin "A" bans all Democrat's and admin "B" bans all republicans becasue they are a Democrat . Not right.

 
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= mont on January 27, 2019, 09:55:38 PM
See this is the reason why I donít want to be in authoritative role. Things like this are the very reason.

I think Philandra put it really nicely. With that being said I can see chat becoming toxic as well. Here is a style that Iíve used throughout my time in control.

Steer your conversation away from the controversial topic. Sports, jokes and my personal favourite tits are always good candidates. These are equally polarizing topics. This is the safest way to stop escalating issues as majority will start talking about them and forget the political topic.

Now if a person is going extreme then ban is justified but donít make it a hard and fast rule. Take each situation individually.
So are you an butt or boob guy?


All in all, no need to babysit people. Admins (including myself) will moderate as needed.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 28, 2019, 02:02:37 AM
WOW I can't believe I'm going to say this GOD help me please. (Wiping sweat from forehead) Oh GOD please help me for I'm about to sin.

I............I........... (stuttering) I..........  hav.....hav......have tooooooooooo agree with Spirit on this one.  LOL

I knew one day you will see the path of enlightenment. You have taken the first step. This is always the hardest, but you have a long way to go. Iím proud of the progress you made.


So are you an butt or boob guy?

Bewbs all day everyday.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 28, 2019, 07:04:44 AM
Well fair enough. I'm fine with the unspoken rule / discretion thing, but I'll continue with the discussion because....why not? :P

I dont have any data to back this up but can y'all ever think of a scenario in which a heated political discussion has ended well (ie. productively) ? Or when politics arent discussed and the XA/CS experience is ~subtracted~ from because of it? Even arguing ethics or social issues often ends with someone getting banned or stepping away from the server, and both parties solidifying their predetermined views. The idea of people having life-changing epiphanies and bonding from a fair and civil political arguement on a counterstrike server is naive at best.

My point was that our server and the game itself is not a forum suited for such things. The primary reason we are all here is to play the game that we love and the secondary  reason is to socialize with friends (for some its vice versa even). Removing auxiliary and typically toxic topics of discussion have no effect on either of those. I was just saying weigh what we're gaining and what we're losing and form a logical decision based on the + / - total outcome.

Free speech for the sake of free speech is not the answer. Especially in small yet open internet communities its one of those utopian concepts better in theory which doesnt account for the factor of human tendencies. We already have rules in place which ďimpede free speechĒ and they are there for a reason. So we already have a line drawn and the proposition of excluding certain extraneous topics is just a means to enforce and simplify the already current guidelines in place. Again, if this "free speech" is such a high ideal, then again why dont we go all the way with it? Well we've all seen, just as with those super restrictive servers, what that devolves to.

Tldr; I love politics and discussing them but the internet is a festering turdhole for intellectual discourse and it almost always just becomes some loud ignorant doofus trolling. I miss the days of  LAN  when this wasnt an issue because IRL you get your snoz jacked in for mouthing off to strangers.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 28, 2019, 07:08:32 AM
Definitely boobs though.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 28, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
Nobody is promoting political agenda in the server. Putting an explicit rule will only result in political views of authority being enforced on everyone.

I disagree with your lan statement. Your idea is that if someone who is physically inferior to you canít have a superior political argument than you simply because they will be assaulted.

Always keep in mind that we are a product of our upbringing. Libtards might be an offensive term for you but itís completely natural for another.

While internet has given a voice to anyone and everyone. The transfer of knowledge and ideas has definitely broadened the scope of political and other intellectual conversations.

CS might not be the place for it but what would be? I donít think you actually see these players in other avenues. Limiting CS to only game related stuff pretty much means missing out on other dimensions of ones personality.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 28, 2019, 11:02:03 AM
I should definitely clarify. I was NOT condoning assaulting anyone for have opposing opinions or because youre losing an argument, but I can see how it might have read like that. What I meant was there is a natural deterrent in physical situations to not be a troll because you donít have the shield of distance / anonymity. In person you have to use tact and respect people because there are consequences to not doing so. Relating to the topic... political arguments online almost always nosedive into poop-tossing, which is where the problem with them lies.

ďAlways keep in mind that we are a product of our upbringing. Libtards might be an offensive term for you but itís completely natural for another.Ē

The same can be said for the use of N-word, or in defense of an ISIS soldier, or a child molester, although these examples are wildly different things from what we're discussing. Point being behavior being normalized because of formative environment does not make that behavior ethical. That said I donít really have a problem with the word libtard in the slightest; though it is a good signifier that the person using it (unironically) has an echo-chamber-adopted binary viewpoint of contemporary politics and probably a limited intelligence. And no I donít consider myself a liberal.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Sigmund Freud on January 28, 2019, 11:15:45 AM

CS might not be the place for it but what would be? I donít think you actually see these players in other avenues. Limiting CS to only game related stuff pretty much means missing out on other dimensions of ones personality.

This is a fair point, but I still feel like these specific topics will divide us more than bond us together. Politics have become so interwoven with social issues that something as simple as an association with a party can devalue a subset of human beings and create division where there would otherwise be harmony.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 28, 2019, 03:37:11 PM
The same can be said for the use of N-word, or in defense of an ISIS soldier, or a child molester, although these examples are wildly different things from what we're discussing. Point being behavior being normalized because of formative environment does not make that behavior ethical.

The biggest problem with that statement is that ethics are subjective. Ethics are social norms, which makes niggers acceptable. Similar case can be made for stoning of women in Middle East.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= poetiK on January 28, 2019, 06:08:24 PM
Man, you guys went a lot deeper than I had planned.

I just wanted to say that someone can like both boobs and butts equally, I love nature in all its varieties and all that.

I am generally against anything restricting speech more than necessary. Politics are super-heated, but like a couple of others, I think banning political or religious stuff entirely has the potential to allow abuse. We have a player named Jesus and sometimes people joke when he kills the defuser that "Jesus saves." Does that constitute religious talk? It might if someone is looking for a reason to get someone.

It just opens the door for using it to ban people you don't agree with, particularly given the climate.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= JAZZY on January 28, 2019, 06:51:29 PM
just play the f******* game
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= mont on January 28, 2019, 07:40:44 PM
just play the f******* game

Very uncanadian of you.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= 420_Man on January 28, 2019, 08:43:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wiWphqR.jpg)
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on January 28, 2019, 08:50:20 PM
just play the f******* game

Jazzy is just mad that he is still the second best Comedian. He tried to come for my throne, but my hordes of hijab wearing army stone him away.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Q W E R T Y [ts] on January 29, 2019, 12:44:47 AM
just play the f******* game

Very uncanadian of you.

Lmao
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Bootyman on January 29, 2019, 06:51:26 AM
can we close this yet? Kinda pointless to talk about it when we arent gunna make a rule out of it.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TDBZ on January 29, 2019, 07:19:55 AM
You ain't closing nothing...

(https://i.imgur.com/mxILYEj.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= TeX on February 04, 2019, 11:11:09 PM
#bumpoldthread its february 4th.

#trump2020!

whats next? we need to build a wall between ct's and t's "it'll be yuuuuge, i promise yuh"

love you guys!
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= mont on February 05, 2019, 12:04:30 AM
#bumpoldthread its february 4th.

#trump2020!

whats next? we need to build a wall between ct's and t's "it'll be yuuuuge, i promise yuh"

love you guys!
That's actually not a bad idea Tex.... and you know what's funny about that idea? It has already been done and the map is on one of our other servers lmao

Giant wall to separate Ts and CTs and it goes up and down every few seconds.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= Quick_Silver on February 05, 2019, 07:22:20 PM
Spirit is XA member ? where is his tag ?
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: $pirit on February 05, 2019, 08:57:18 PM
Spirit is XA member ? where is his tag ?

It got lost in the mail.
Title: Re: Politics in the server
Post by: =XA= mont on February 05, 2019, 10:02:52 PM
Spirit is XA member ? where is his tag ?
He's the special needs member.